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 	- ### Tasks
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 	- ### Notes
-		- First day [[15-07-2025]]
-			- Points for discussion
+		- ## First day [[15-07-2025]]
+			- ### Points for discussion
 				- Exciting and scaring times
 				- GenAI / Agentic systems:
 					- Hype? What will remain?
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 				- It's not a matter of visibility!
 				- Understand what it is needed and how to cooperate
 				- Can we come up with some cross-group collaboration
-			- [SwissLLM - Generative-KI-Lösungen Made in Switzerland](https://www.swissllm.ch/)
-			- **Simplify** - [Progetti Finanziati - Apprendo](https://apprendo.tech/progetti-finanziati/)
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+				- [SwissLLM - Generative-KI-Lösungen Made in Switzerland](https://www.swissllm.ch/)
+				- **Simplify** - [Progetti Finanziati - Apprendo](https://apprendo.tech/progetti-finanziati/)
+				- Paper on object-oriented programming published on 1984 that seems to be similar to what is happening nowadays with generative AI
+				- ### Topics
+					- Generative AI in software development lifecycle
+						- Tools that provide users / delelopers with additional automation capabilities that need to be mastered. Many time we read that we should not accept AI as it i but somehow we have to master it
+						- I'm convinced that such tools represent one the one hand a multiplier of our capabilities and on the other hand the subject of investigations
+					- Ethical Aspects
+					- Empirical Studies
+						- Empirical studies vs the empirical validation of the approach you are proposing
+							- I can agree that requests on the empirical validation is getting tremendously on the one hand critical and on the other hand very demanding
+						- The availability of data like GitHub etc. initiated the field of mining software repositories field, which is similar what happens since decades in other discplines (like biology, etc.)
+					- Software sustainability
+						- What's the meaning?
+					- ### More
+						- How do we use LLMs?
+							- for our daily tasks
+							- if we use it for software development
+						- Who should develop tools including LLMs?
+						- Training and fine-tuning existing models
+							- Discrimination of universities depending on their possibility of training/fine-tuning
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